tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5308923185697655557.post1621388438436276461..comments2023-07-06T03:24:58.768-04:00Comments on Your Big Girl Pants: Of Homosexuality and MurderEmilyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11713092722965430212noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5308923185697655557.post-83259268652686311342012-12-12T16:19:14.096-05:002012-12-12T16:19:14.096-05:00I shudder to think of the future Google queries th...I shudder to think of the future Google queries that will lead people to this post. :)<br /><br />I have two issues with your examples CJ against bestiality. We don't just kill animals for food and clothes, but often just for sport and general amusement. That isn't considered animal cruelty. In fact my unease with bestiality could be extended to the notion of "animal cruelty." It's something which I don't approve of, but I'm failing to articulate a harm that we don't already visit upon them without thinking twice about it.<br /><br />Next, the notion of consent vis a vis bestiality. Animals can't talk, but some are better at communicating their wishes than others. What if someone were to show by their animal's actions that the animal was clearly consenting. With some dogs, they don't seem all that bothered about getting *your* consent before trying to hump away at your leg. :) A story I read was about a guy who had the lovely job of artificially inseminating turkeys for a living. He said by the second week the hens would recognize him getting out of the truck and "assume the position" before he had even gotten his machines out. Consent? But either which way, what is the secular harm to bestiality? In the end, who cares if the animal is consenting or not?Mandihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15832189885769646643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5308923185697655557.post-79775586027335034752012-12-12T15:53:18.325-05:002012-12-12T15:53:18.325-05:00I'm with CJ :-)I'm with CJ :-)Emilyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713092722965430212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5308923185697655557.post-83627869042226790682012-12-12T15:22:11.981-05:002012-12-12T15:22:11.981-05:00Mandi, couldn't sex with an animal be consider...Mandi, couldn't sex with an animal be considered animal cruelty, therefore making it illegal. We're allowed to kill them for food and shoes, but cruelty isn't allowed. <br /><br />I still think of it as a consent issue though, but I'm not a lawyer.<br /><br />As for homosexuality...there is no secular reasoning against gay marriage. Never heard of anything that comes close. And God is in not part of the legal ceremony, only the church ceremony (if you choose to have one) so I really don't see how there is even an argument here. I feel like this should be open-shut. CJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5308923185697655557.post-88310883170360144092012-12-12T12:19:23.254-05:002012-12-12T12:19:23.254-05:00Polygamy (I use it in the gender neutral sense, en...Polygamy (I use it in the gender neutral sense, encompassing both polygyny and polyandry) is an easy case for me, as both societal and individual harms can arise from it. Bestialit has given me more trouble. I give some weight to the consent issue, but we don't gie much heed to animal consent under any other circumstance, so why give weight to it in that realm. It is surely worse to kill and eat and animal (from the animal's perspective) than to have sex with it? So why ban it? There are some public health issues of species cross-contamination, but I'm not sure if that rises up to the level of concern that we would need to criminalize it. Thoughts?Mandihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15832189885769646643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5308923185697655557.post-16358663632585152892012-12-12T11:14:43.018-05:002012-12-12T11:14:43.018-05:00It's a lot easier to come up with secular reas...It's a lot easier to come up with secular reasons to call murder a crime than to come up with secular reasons to ban gay marriage.<br /><br />Bestiality = consent issue.<br /><br />Polygamy = unstable for society, expensive for the families and potentially society (you reduce the number of potential wage-earners for each kid), demeaning to women and girls. The one I am most convinced by is the women and girls part. Shockingly. And why does no one ever advocate polyandry as a marital choice?<br />Emilyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713092722965430212noreply@blogger.com